Generally speaking, Hui Shi won, because when he talked about this aspect, he said, I am not you. I don't know about you. You are not a fish, so you should not know about fish. What you said before about the happiness of fish is bullshit. But Zhuangzi is Zhuangzi after all, he said. Back to the beginning, you asked me how do I know that fish are happy? Before you ask me, you will know that I know that fish are happy. How do I know I can tell at a glance from here?
Zhuangzi won again. Where did you win? I just said there are two aspects. Why? The first aspect is the traditional understanding. He used a western concept called empathy. For example, when I see a fish swimming leisurely in the water, I will feel the same way and project my feelings on the fish. I want to say that if I were that fish, I would be happy to swim in the blooming water in the warm spring. It is generally believed that Zhuangzi can understand empathy, but the problem is that no matter how you empathize, you are not a fish. How can you be sure?
Therefore, it is necessary to explain that human life can be linked with the lives of other things. How to connect? For example, you have a dog at home. When you go home, do you think there is anything wrong with this dog? Why is my tail about to break? Do you want to take him to the doctor? You don't think so. When you see a dog wagging its tail, you know that the dog is happy to see you because you are the owner. The master is back, which means he has something to eat.
So what does this mean? People and dogs can communicate. This is related to his attitude towards life. On the contrary, when the dog is angry, you must know. When it is depressed, you can tell at a glance. You can't say that dogs are happy. It's depression, which means that your mentality is biased.
Similarly, people and plants can also be linked together. I walked through the garden and saw a blooming rose. I said this flower was really happy, and no one would accuse me of talking nonsense. On the contrary, I walked through a garden and a flower withered. I said this flower is very happy. Will people say you have a problem? This flower withered, and you said it was happy.
So this shows that people can really project their feelings to other creatures to some extent. Even on the mountain, I can see how charming the castle peak is, so do you want to see me on the castle peak? Do you see me? Shanshan and I will never get tired of looking at each other. So at this time we can understand that people's lives are really open. So Zhuangzi's thought is much better than Keiko's. Because he can open his own life.
Face everything at different levels and interact with it. But when it comes to debate, none of this can be taken as a conclusion. There is no reform that makes Keiko speechless. There is only one argument to make the debate master Keiko speechless, which makes him fall into contradiction. As you know, Keiko has an excellent eloquence in the debate. His debate was sophistry, and no one could tell. Then why didn't he talk this time?
Think about it, Keiko said that I am not your Zhuangzi, so I don't know your situation, but he heard Zhuangzi say that fish is happy, and he knew that Zhuangzi knew that fish was happy, so he asked Zhuangzi. So when I heard Zhuangzi talking, I knew what was going on in Zhuangzi, and then I said I wasn't you, so I didn't know your situation. This is called self-contradiction.
We point out here that this is a linguistic argument, which is different from what we actually say. Empathy at the life level is not directly related. If you really want to understand this passage, you should know that what he said is a contradiction in language, because when Zhuangzi said that fish was really happy, Keiko knew that Zhuangzi knew that fish was happy, and he later said that I am not your Zhuangzi, so I don't know if you know that fish is happy. This is a contradiction. At first, I heard him say I knew. Later, I said I was not you, so I didn't know. This is called contradiction. When Zhuangzi pointed this out, Keiko had nothing to say.
Sometimes we often find learning interesting. When I studied Zhuangzi in my early years, I only thought about my previous knowledge. Although life attitude is reasonable in all aspects, others will say, why doesn't Hui Shi speak? Is he that easy to compromise? I didn't know until now that Zhuangzi used a language that put you in contradiction. You knew something when you listened to me earlier, and then you said that you were not me, so you didn't know my situation. People communicate with each other by talking. You knew what I was talking about, and then you said you weren't me, so you didn't know what I was talking about. In this case, aren't you contradictory?